Also Maul doesn’t have a single feat close to not getting stomped by Vader, Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul > Rebels Maul > TCW Ahsoka. Rebels Ahsoka stomped 2 (while not even trying) knight level inquisitors, and she contended with Vader. Maul could ragdoll Obi wan consistently and managed to pin Palpatine to the wall in a deleted portion of their duel with the force, I see no reason Ashoka wouldn't be out of his ragdoll range. It's pretty similar to Ventress disarming Obi-Wan in TCW movie but then being outmaneuvered and forced to flee, only Ahsoka couldn't recover her lightsabers because of the environment. If there was no ledge he would have still been disarmed and tossed to the ground. Maul being out of practise isn't something to trivialise. While both shows have Darth Maul, Star Wars Rebels benefits from other classic villains. She also tagged him multiple times and held him with telekinesis, even if Maul was winning the match he'd job and find a way to lose, His fanboys are hilarious, Rebels Ahsoka guts him. By season 2, the Rebels are being pursued by Darth Vader himself, who has learned his former Padawan Ahsoka Tano is still alive. The fact that she talked and shut off her lightsabers to use telekinesis isn't an indication that she's not going all out. TCW Ahsoka contends with Prime Maul so Rebels Ahsoka will beat him through scaling. Motivation: Both fighters are blood-lusted and serious; neither underestimate their opponent. Her h2h is good, but if they were not on a narrow beam where the slightest push sends you over the edge I doubt that would have even phased Maul. Although Clone Wars had to link up to the films, this was the show following on from what had already existed. Lost to Ahsoka cause she cut a beam, lost to Kenobi cause he surprise attacked. Logical scaling puts Ahsoka's older much MUCH stronger counterpart above him. He went down to padawan Kenobi, Ahsoka, and blind Kanan. He's inferior in speed and mobility at the very least. That is not to say they perfectly stalemate eachother, but that each can get wins against the other in a relatively even ratio. I’m not desperate for Maul. Ahsoka Tano made her debut in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film, and later reappeared in the animated series of the same name. (All Maul knew was the new apprentice and identity of Sidious), If he knew about Order 66 he could have just said "Execute Order 66" and the Clones would have killed Ahsoka. Maul. Maul seemed somewhat unhinged in the latest episode as well but he's always been a bit crazy so it shouldn't be a factor. Maul is the biggest jobber in Star Wars now. @the_buddha_: @ezra_: @emmafrostxmen: Martin's tweets are not binding anyways, he has repeatedly said so himself. Ahsoka and Maul’s fight scene, with the beautiful camera shots and … She grappled him, static environment didn't do that. Realize that rebels ahsoka then contended vader for a long time, at least as long as someone like dooku would. @emmafrostxmen: It doesn't like we will be able to reach common ground, so we'll just have to agree to disagree and shake hands, how about that? The only thing that Maul knew that was galaxy changing was that Sidious was playing both sides in the Clone Wars. He would only fall if there was no ground. If she didn't cut the ledge he would have still fallen to the ground. Ahsoka breached Mauls Guard twice in the fight and came out on top. On Zanbar, it was Grievous. Light side powered, fights smarter not harder. He can't seem to catch a break no matter how hard he tries to make things work in his favor, which is a fact he's becoming painfully … You're not even thinking at it from a logical perspective, so let's recap. Obviously, as for how they would fair against each other combatively with no other circumstances to tip the scales or act as a distraction, this BFR instance is useless to mention. Rebels Maul contended with a much more powerful Ahsoka and has some indirect scaling off of Vader due to fighting Ahsoka for so long, while TCW Maul on the other hand was being contended with by a teenager, and in that fight a less smart version of Ahsoka (less smart than her Rebels counterpart) outsmarted him for a win), I naturally would think: Rebels Ahsoka >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Maul > TCW Ahsoka, Everyone else is telling me TCW Maul > Rebels Maul so idk, @ezra_: Well he was never stated to have improved so I don’t think so, @supremesoup: “ Ashoka could catch him only when his forces defences were down due to explicitly wanting to die”, No he wanted her to “drop him” therefore his defenses are up and he is actively resisting. And how can she be rusty if she has improved from TCW? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. No, because everyone has this head canon that TCW Maul >>>>>>> Rebels Maul despite that not being stated or even close to implied anywhere. The gist of my argument is Ahsoka was disarmed three times in normal conditions and could not have won without the beam/ledge, I’m literally the person that said that like yesterday and then everyone said his tweets are fact. > Maul “I guess the padawan needs to learn 1 last weapon”, > Maul gets tagged like 4 times and is held off by Ahsoka using a single shoto blade, @mossbeard: Clone Wars Maul tagged Sidious, who was serious after killing Savage. The way I see it personally is both have equal skills, Maul has fighting style advantage so it's why he could disarm her later in the fight and not at the start. @rgr: I’m literally the person that said that like yesterday and then everyone said his tweets are fact, I don’t mind Rebels being prime Maul (and by feats he is. Please don’t come at me and I know you really disagree with this, but I just think that Maul “lost” because A. ahsoka as of clone wars is very close to amul level. Nothing has really changed. Maul was stated to be “rusty”, not to be completely shot compared to his old self. @emmafrostxmen: Regarding the Rebels statement of Maul being post prime, he is noticeably less agile and has had no combat experience since his Clone Wars days. The two had previously teamed up to try and find Darth Maul in the animated series. Because he was scared of him, Star Wars fights are not stalemates someone will eventually win. Maul couldn’t rag doll her so he needed to rag doll someone else into her, it’s clear in the episode, As a matter of fact Ahsoka rag dolled Maul at the end of the fight when he explicitly “wanted to die”, Rex aimed his guns at him, he sensed it and took them both out with the force. Ahsoka could have performed the Maul feat, and she performed a more impressive feat (lasting a minute against Vader). Disarming someone is not the end of the fight especially if they get their weapon back. Ahsoka loses here. How come his post prime self stalemated Ahsoka for over a minute and fought more inquisitors than her? I think it's very obvious Maul wasn't even close to bloodlusted against Ahsoka and we've seen him fight much better before I.E his fight against Sidious. Ashoka could catch him only when his forces defences were down due to explicitly wanting to die. This tells me that his heart wasn't in the fight and he was preoccupied. Even if there was no ledge for Maul to be BFR'd Ahsoka would have wrecked Maul in hand to hand since he too lost his lightsaber. As shown above, he made it clear that they aren't, so people shouldn't put that much stock in what he says. @zr2011: Yes I completely agree with your order. Also, Ahsoka was clearly far weaker than Vader in their duel. Ahsoka — a character created for “Clone Wars” — was the apprentice of Anakin Skywalker before he became Darth Vader. TCW Ahsoka while only trying to explicitly “capture Maul” is now being lowballed because people don’t want to accept Rebels Ahsoka being above him. Implying he’s going to kill her, Everyone in this thread: “Maul wasn’t trying”, Ahsoka: ‘disarms him and kicks him off the platform”, @emmafrostxmen: I figured these comments would make you mad lol. He knew there was going to be some galaxy altering event Sidious was orchestrating ever since he was his apprentice & took precautions in order to prepare for it, setting up the bait for Anikan, telling the crime syndicates to disappear, and planning a way for him to thrive in the new world order. This was a prolonged duel and I guarantee you you’ll never find a quote that says Maul was holding back or Ahsoka for that matter. Maul has always been cannon fodder to Star Wars high tiers, @emmafrostxmen: I don't expect us to reach a perfect conclusion; I've said my piece and you've said yours. Darth Vader is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise. You do realise that TCW Maul has 2 accolades indicating that he's in Vader's ballpark, right? He ragdolled Maul and Savage multiple times throughout the fight. In fact quite a bit of the on screen fight is shown to us, and the fight itself is inconclusive. Ahsoka stomped the 2 inquisitors in her first fight back....adding another featless one logically doesn’t make the feat any harder. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Suited Vader isn't better than Anakin in every aspect though. What? That was also Ahsoka’s first canon lightsaber duel since TCW Maul duel so they are both technically rusty in combat (despite it being stated that Ahsoka improved). Ahsoka contending with Vader is good, but TCW Maul has a quote saying he's kind of in the Vader realm, and SW magazine says that he and Vader are well matched in fighting skills and that a fight between them would be a close call. I put CW S5 Maul as prime because that's when he outright beat Kenobi in a duel, beat Savage, contended with Sidious/landed a blow, and, in the Son of Dathomir comic (I saw a recap on youtube) fought Mace Windu and another jedi at once (to a stalemate I believe, but the other jedi was getting beat so idk). Related: How Old Ahsoka Is In Star Wars Rebels Since much of Maul's backstory has been told outside of canon material, his exact age is questionable. Rebels Ahsoka being vastly better than TCW Ahsoka is based on comparisons between her adult self and SEASON 5 self when you look at the date of these quotes. Rebels Maul only fought her for a few seconds which isn’t at all enough to judge their parity. The relationships of of Maul. @emmafrostxmen: Prove Rebels Maul is weaker than TCW Maul. Ahsoka TCW Ahsoka contends with Prime Maul so Rebels Ahsoka will beat him through scaling. I'd say this is pretty close. Whatever it is it's just the bad side of the SW's fanbase who won't be satisfied unless everything plays out their way. The worst excuse I’ve seen thus far is “Maul only lost due to environment”... ugh he’s the one who INTENTIONALLY gave himself that position So he would have the high ground. Statements in themselves aren't useless. He did disarm her at the beginning of the fight as well and had multiple opportunities to kill her on the beams. Hell Maul is literally my favorite Character of the Clone Wars and even I know when to call a spade a spade. While both shows have Darth Maul, Star Wars Rebels benefits from other classic villains. All Inquisitors and their masters are my enemies." @zr2011: Yeah I don't think we can limit factors in SW debates to just Lightsaber ability and force ability. Maul obliterates if TCW and they’re all out. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. We debated for ages, you all were very good debators and it was a lot of fun. It seems styles/stamina/familiarity/unarmed skills/environment/behavior/physical ability are all factors that need to be considered for a victor. Maul offered to work together and then when they started fighting after she declined there is nothing to imply or especially prove he was holding back in hopes she would join him. Ahsoka Tano makes her first appearance in Star Wars Rebels in the show's first season finale,… This was prime Maul, all this fight proves is that Rebels Ahsoka would have won the fight with Rebels Maul eventually and that Rebels Ahsoka is above TCW Maul on account of her teenage self giving him the duel of his life, Rage amp is not normal Maul....his brother isn’t going to die in every fight, @greysentinel365: Ahsoka was also “not going for the kill” though. They are both awesome characters and I think we can agree that the fight was amazing. ANH kenobi>rebels maul. @ezra_: I just rewatched the fight. She was disarmed three times and won cause of a beam that she could cut. @ezra_: I see your points about Maul's character. Sort: ... # season 2 # star wars # episode 10 # rebels # ahsoka ... # star wars # darth maul # star wars # awesome # spinning # lego # light saber The fight was flawless which is all I really wanted. This is deadass hilarious to me lol. Maul loses because he got sloppy and lost his composure, had Maul played more carefully and tried to outlast her he may have won in most situations. @the_buddha_: Yes he’s less effective in combat due to that statement. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. Darth Maul is more than ready to die in Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 7, which makes his death in Star Wars Rebels both more appropriate and tragic. Ahsoka killed Savage and Maul killed Kanan. Obi Wan wouldn't have beaten Anakin had his head been cleared as shown by his duel with Dooku. Force defenses are passive and I’d lick for you to find me a statement that says when exactly they “go down”. I’m actually happy because that duel was beautiful. Maul wanted to recruit Ahsoka, not kill her. Maul knew about Anakin as the potential new apprentice not about Order 66 as all the Maul fanboys are using as an excuse. Him disarming her 4 times means nothing when he couldn't kill her in those four tries, Ahsoka managing to last even 1 second with out a lightsaber and him trying and failing to kill an unarmed Ahsoka is what matters. Its clear I'm not convincing you with anything regarding how you think their fight occurred so I'd rather just leave that alone. In the second exchange he disarmed her early in the fight and she was breathing heavy keeping in mind he wanted to partner with her, not kill her. Maul Was trying to escape and Ahsoka was just trying to capture him. Although Rebels Ahsoka would obviously defeat Maul. Rebels Ahsoka would beat him through scaling, anyone who says otherwise is just a desperate for Maul at this point, Rebels Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Ahsoka, @supremesoup: your point about rag dolling is wrong. @darthadi: No she wasn’t, but if you don’t do some kind of stretching of warm down after intense physical activity then lactic acid builds up in your muscles which can last hours and lead you to fatigue faster. I agree with this. She held her own remarkably well, and her feat as of Rebels in matching Vader is beyond anything TCW Maul did. On a side note, I think when Maul fights with blood-lust and rage, he's a force to be reckoned with, one that can put intense pressure on most fighters he faces. @supremesoup: No you didn't you're just copping out because you didn't know any one can say order sixty six to activate Clone kill mode. > Beats Kill mode Maul while only trying to capture him. She held her own remarkably well, and her feat as of Rebels in matching Vader is beyond anything TCW Maul did. Location: Where Rey and Kylo Ren fought in TROS, *FIGHTERS ARE AT THEIR PRIME FIGHTING CONDITION. Again literally all Maul had to say was "Order sixty six" and literally the Clones would have started blasting Ahsoka. During his training, Sidious took Maul to Malachor to bear witness to a great battle that occurred there between the Jedi and the Sith. Ahsoka gave Maul a pointed look. Thought he and Ahsoka could work together. What I just noticed is: 1. In both instances, Maul had his opponent beat in a straight up duel. By season 2, the Rebels are being pursued by Darth Vader himself, who has learned his former Padawan Ahsoka Tano is still alive. But I think the rage from seeing Savage's death would help carry Maul to victory in this situation. Find GIFs with the latest and newest hashtags! Years after the Clone Wars, during the reign of the Galactic Empire, Vader traveled to a snowy moon that was home to the crash site of a Venator-class Star Destroyer.Stormtroopers and probe droids search the landscape. With the most choreography? This is probably true. 2 minutes is 180 seconds, 180 seconds isn't a few seconds. @zr2011: Are you forgetting that he also had his lightsaber disarmed by an unarmed Ahsoka? Rebels Ahsoka is more skilled and powerful than season 7 Ahsoka. Fighting and tagging sidious>sneak attacking Vader. And a series of huge slashes and quick manoeuvers?… He disarmed her again twice on the beam and she was only able to win by redirecting his momentum and pushing him off balance. Martin’s claim is that he’s less skilled, and rusty. maul vs ahsoka 6601 GIFs. Location: Where Rey and Kylo Ren fought in TROS, *FIGHTERS ARE AT THEIR PRIME FIGHTING CONDITION, Maul would get absolutely stomped by Vader though. Instead, he either tried to escape or offer a partnership. @yousufkhan1212: bro she was toying with them, she one shot the fifth brother with a simple kick, and she literally pretended to surrender. Season 2, Episode 1 & 2. Maul could of cut the beam first, but he advances.This tells me he was overconfident, per usual. Or indicates that Maul's decline was strictly in Rebels S3 while he was still prime in S2. Being “rusty” does effect people in combat, but it’s not enough to say they are no longer comparable, Rebels Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Ahsoka, Maul was too stupid to cut the bar they were on and beat her for good, he also got caught like an idiot. You are a very respectable debater which is rare to find in the Star Wars section of vine. Also the fight wasn’t over once disarmed. People have just been doing saber scaling ABC tbh or at least the majority have. Star Wars Rebels: Full duel between Ahsoka and Darth Vader and its conclusion. 2. Rebels Ahsoka is smarter than her younger self (as stated by Filoni) who was able to outsmart and defeat Maul. Ahsoka wasn't straight out skilled she was out stamina'd due to her style being more energy draining and the darkside giving Maul more fuel. The fact that season 7 Ahsoka contends with Maul actually suggests that she's not far off her Rebels version. Edit: He only told the crime syndicates to disappear because he got crushed by the Separatists when he tried to take them head on. Anything can happen and it would still fly. So he likely wasn't going for the kill. And a lot of misogynists have been copying him on it lmao. It’s not like they are perfectly matched. But only one has the best H2H skills in canon. Maul was obviously a better duelist disarming Ashoka three times throughout the fight, which by the end of she was deprived of both her lightsabers. Can you find a quote that says Rebels Maul is significantly weaker than his TCW self? One of the huge things that Rebels managed to do was link the series to the larger Star Wars franchise. This is despite Ahsoka also being matched by Rebels Maul in a fight longer than her duel with Vader. He was a victim of his environment (Ahsoka was beat, but won cause she cut a beam), We know we have different opinions. TCW Maul > Rebels Ahsoka >/= Rebels Maul > TCW Ahsoka. Ahsoka's life is in Maul's hands multiple times throughout the fight. Maul obviously won the fight in TCW. Both characters were undeniably portrayed as near equals, and Rebels Ahsoka is now clearly above TCW Maul, Before the fight Maul: “the padawan needs one last lesson”. Why? I don't think Maul ever intended to kill Ahsoka in their fight and in their final engagement when he was trying to escape, his priority is not the duel but to get away. Rebels Maul only fought her for a few seconds which isn’t at all enough to judge their parity. If I ignore statements from Matt Martin, I would say Maul as of his fight with Sidious is his prime. Although Rebels Ahsoka would obviously defeat Maul. @maul_eternal: Ahsoka was disarmed three times and won only due to the environment. After the events of both the Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith, Darth Vader finds Ahsoka's lightsaber on a moon. Instead of attacking, Maul tries to escape on his ship. How many times was Maul disarmed if CW Ahsoka is his equal? @ezra_: @maul_eternal: @emmafrostxmen: I'm glad we all came to a general agreement with that scaling (Rebels Ahsoka=CW S5 Maul>/= Rebels Maul>/=TCW Ahsoka) . By feats Maul is nowhere near Anakin (beat Dooku) or Vader (scales above Anakin), I see the tier ranking as: Vader > Anakin > Dooku > Ahsoka >|= Maul >|= Obi Wan. Star Wars creator George Lucas has collectively referred to the first six episodic films of the franchise as "the tragedy of Darth Vader".. I saw this was a rage amped Maul and I would agree. TCW Ahsoka have Maul high difficulty and outsmarted him 2 times in the fight. She obviously was not even going close to all out. Rebels Ahsoka stomping 2 inquisitors is good, but based on what was she "not trying" eh? Adult Ahoksa is weaker than Old Man Maul, who as per word of god is inferior to his TCW self, yet we have a weaker Ahsoka contending and getting the upper hand over a stronger Maul. I agree that Maul held a slight edge throughout the fight though. Yes but not by much if at all, Ahsoka was genuinely stalemating him until she got tired. Ahsoka hasn’t had a duel in canon from TCW until her fight with the inquisitors, and any other idea would just be your headcanon, Maul doesn’t have a single feat close to Vader. How come Maul didn’t fight Vader? He trained under Sidiou… His whole plan was to kill the Apprentice of Sidious. That doesn’t translate to power loss. I don’t think rebels Ahsoka is above TCW Maul by a significant degree, but at this point nobody can say that TCW Maul “stomps” or anything like that. Their fight was never concluded and it’s the most bullishit lowballing attempt for Ahsoka. Maul and Ahsoka didn't fight for only a few seconds in Rebels, they fought for roughly 2 minutes. He was specifically tasked with eliminating or capturing Ahsoka Tano, as well as her allies, and had several encounters with the rebels before he was finally slain by Maul on Malachor. The fact is, Grievous is on a ds nexus and he wasn't even looking at Maul when he got force pushed away. Star Wars: The Clone Wars added another emotional layer to Ahsoka Tano and Darth Vader's duel from Star Wars Rebels.In Clone Wars season 7, episode 9, "Old Friends Not Forgotten", the master and his apprentice reunite after months of her self-imposed exile. And who was where Maul darth maul vs ahsoka rebels Ahsoka did n't do that he either tried to escape or offer a.! 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