You're the one who fucking tags me in all of the threads arguing the same shitty point day in and day out for years and years of your worthless garbage life, lmfao. Superhero battle match: Team Lord Starkiller versus Team Darth Caedus. The tips of his lightsabers shook. Talk about forgetting. I wouldn't say so personally, they were fighting evenly for the most part until a moment in the fight which should have spelled Vader's victory actually allowed the Maul doppelganger to drastically change up his style and catch Vader off guard. He is questioning even this, and there are no excuses, bar secondary goals, which are clear knowing him. It's my great misery that you've developed an obsession with me and trying to tear down some character because much better debaters told you to do so and it gave you a purpose in life. @wolfrazer: People would say that all the jedi killed by Vader were massively sub TPM Kenobi. @richard96: Pretty much which is why I don't find it pressing. Struggling to lift large objects whilst fighting through the Kaminoan clone facility. What are you basing these "minute" long guestimates on? Changed my mind. No need to be fancy, just an overview. “The context of the story presented in the comic and the creator of the comic itself make it clear that the fight was not representative of two opposing sides fighting on equal footing to the best of their abilities. 0. Maul proved himself to be fairly better than Vader in that fight. Now Amped TPM Kenobi > Vader? Darth Bane Darth Sidious Obi-Wan Kenobi Mace Windu Darth Maul Yoda Shaak Ti Starkiller Anakin Skywalker You can add more and put them in any order you want (I just named them/no order). Accept it. The games also depict Starkiller struggling to accomplish feats he had easily replicated/surpassed earlier in the game. @richard96: You cannot obviously allow Vader to be sub-TPM Maul, even if it is true. I know we are talking Legends here and not Canon, but in Rebels, Maul explains that he is "No longer Darth, now just Maul" or something like that, indicating that he is no longer a member of the Sith order specifically. Who will win out? This is in no way mentioned or stated. Giving him then another minute or so at least to continue conserving and regaining his strength. If anything, the time lapse is a conservative estimate. Re: Starkiller vs Darth Maul (melee combat only) on February 24th 2020, 8:24 am Azronger wrote: The intent of my non-canon fanfiction where Vader stomps Revan was to show how a fight between those two would go. Maulkiller was created by combining genetic material from the1 Dathomirian2 Zabrak Sith apprentice Darth Maul and the deceased Human Galen Marek. My response to that point from the other thread you never responded to: The comic was made in order to make money from nerds who wanted to see the cool Sith Lord from TPM fight Darth Vader. He doesn’t say Vader could surely do that. In any case, in sabers Vader proved himself to be below Maul. Darth Starkiller, formerly Galen Marek, was a Human male Sith Lord who served under the Galactic Empire and Emperor Palpatine. It was so dry he could barely talk at all. Starkiller: The Creator of the Rebellion. His armor seemed to have improved, too; it was less vulnerable to lightning than it had been just days before. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing, just that Vader and Maul have a pretty cool battle." The Maul Vader faces in Ressurection being a doppelganger though is simply something that's confirmed by Chee: Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. Only at the very last moment did Vader raise his blade to block the blow, and even then the move seemed almost casual, disinterested. Free shipping. It's almost as if a person can have multiple motivations for an action they're taking. He may have defeated Vader before, but Vader had learned from that mistake. Reminder that a inferior version of Sidious soloed a superior version of Maul and Oppress effortlessly, but a more powerful Sidious was pushed to desperation against Starkiller (who had just defeated vader and battled a ton of troopers beforehand). :/, Vader is noted to be putting very little effort into their fight at this point. @killbilly: Haven't forgotten about our debate btw - had uni work to get through - but worth noting is exactly what Lucas said about ESB Vader: "At this point, Vader’s plan really, now that he knows he’s his son, is to convince him to come with him. I swear Vader is a real oddity with SW, why people downplay him, he's clearly a top tier within the mythos, that much is given with his accomplishments, knowledge and the scaling he has. "He separated the two, and dispatched the older man. You need to be logged in to post comments.. Also of course Luke has more potential, that's a given who he is. Then they manipulate him into fighting Maul in sabers rather than exploiting the Force (note that he never tries to use the Force offensively bar one time to force Maul to move the battlefield). Throw in his tunnel vision state, the motivation of Juno that you like to bring up (given that Force users' abilities are heavily impacted by their motivation and willpower), and I see no reason why he wouldn't have regained enough of his strength to operate at his usual levels, instead of just being able to pull off his "ISD crashing, Salvation guiding" levels of TK. 33 comments 96% Upvoted The assassin apprentices, physical vs force strength. Der Zabrak vom Planeten Dathomir hatte den Auftrag, den Erfolg der Blockade von Naboo zu sichern. This is entirely speculative. All in all, these interactions take around 30 seconds at least. No comments in the last 24 month. Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn’t been debilitated and now he’s half machine and half man, so he’s lost a lot of the power of the Force, and he’s lost a lot of his ability to be more powerful then the Emperor. The fact is the ONLY time we see blows landed are when the doppelganger exploits a weakness that no gap in raw power can make up for ( Vader's mechanical limbs will always only be capable of performing to their specifications regardless of how much Vader is able to augment the rest of his body ) and the author had explicitly stated that the doppelganger had prepared and powered up for his encounter with Vader. The actual exchange broken down: *Starkiller thinks about why Vader is doing all this*, Starkiller: “Your training made me strong enough to escape you, not obey you.”, Vader: “Yet here you are. Lord Knightfa11. Unlike Vader allowing Starkiller to regain a significant portion of his strength before facing him. They fell apart on either side, leaving just one standing before him. Lets Help Spread The Word To The Entire World! Unfortunately, it tends to annoy me when people blatantly ignore evidence in order to argue their desired outcome. However at the end of Force Unleashed 1, Starkiller was able to go toe to toe with Sidious. This is the maul that killed anoon banderas. Why shouldn’t he cheat with TK? His nostrils were full of smoke. It is explicitly conceived to have a Vader vs Maul brawl and see who is stronger. SK then jumps to the next platform, talking as he does so: “You lie!” Starkiller jumped up to the next platform, passion stirring him to action. He then has about a minute to continue "regaining his strength": They were all dead. Why Vader is the odd man out, yet no other character seems to be is...really baffling. If this is pre-phantom menace, then Maul wont nearly be as strong as he was when he fought Sidious. I was expecting this further desperate attempt since miles. Twin red blades flashed as he met their advance, spinning and slashing with an easy grace that belied the strength behind it. So no; SK having a minute to regain some of his strength and return to his usual fighting levels -, Already addressed. Starkiller would surprise him with the one weapon Vader couldn’t wield in return. The sizzling of fabric and a faint stink of burning skin told him that at least two of Darth Vader's misses had been horribly near, but he felt no pain." Darth Maul (* 54 VSY auf Dathomir; † 2 VSY auf Tatooine), später nur Maul, war ein Sith als der Schüler von Darth Sidious und später ein gefürchteter Krimineller als Anführer von Crimson Dawn. “Then they manipulate him into fighting Maul in sabers rather than exploiting the Force (note that he never tries to use the Force offensively bar one time to force Maul to move the battlefield). I also don't see why Vader refusing to use the Force even when he was in danger is relevant. Born to kill, he killed. R1: Either way. ... Korbanth TFU2 Starkiller Special Edition Saber. I mean that Vader would have surely used the force on Maul when he was disarmed and on his ass at the end of the fight, if he could. Boards ; Star Wars; Starkiller = Darth Maul(Clone Wars spoilers) User Info: Grischnak. He isn’t saying Vader would have destroyed them for sure if he used the force. ArgSlayer: 1: If Vader attacked Maul with The Force to toss, shove or choke him would he just kill him like it was implied?Marz: 1) Hypothetical, so we really don't know. They never talked about manipulation of the environment however. While Dooku was forced to cut their fight short in AotC, we have sources confirming that Dooku was not at his best prior to fighting Yoda as a result of his fight with Anakin and Kenobi and that Yoda himself was exhausted by his fight with the already diminished Dooku. He would have used the Force on Maul, at least to get some pause, if he could. Your view is irrelevant to me. “Also, my "pupil?" His motivation to rescue Juno is likely all that's even keeping him standing at this point. Remember, Juno is a last resort for Vader as he wants Starkiller to serve him willingly. He imagined that he knew what the blade would feel like when it struck him down." Impressive.” And he remembered: “The Force gives me all I need.”. Captain Kirk And Co In The Arena On Geonosis. Why would he "seek to diminish himself in the eyes of the Emperor.". No more voices assailed him, and no doubts, either. Change members Create variation Info No Variations. How maul was caught off guard? Er gehörte angeblich zu einer speziellen Klonserie, welche von Darth Vader in seinen zahlreichen Klonanlagen auf Kamino konstruiert wurde, um einen absolut gehorsamen und ultimativen Sith aus dem Gen-Material seines verstorbenen Schülers Galen Marek zu erschaffen. Starkiller got stalemated by TFU II Vader, a weaker version of one who lost to TPM Maul. Lol. As a final part of his trial, Galen is confronted by a mysterious Sith Warrior clad in a sinister armor. That's why I pointed out the extreme lengths they went to acquire Vader's agreement before allowing the fight to take place. I encourage you to continue doing so for that reason, actually.”. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Hence the "or something." "The Sith Lord was borne backward by the Jedi Knight's initial rush, caught off guard by the other's wild assault, and pressed all the way back to the far wall of the melting pit. ", It has slowed me down somewhat. Why would he? Impressive.” And he remembered: SK runs through his memories, latching onto their discussion at the start of the game (which in itself took around 5-10 seconds). The text highlighted in blue is the issue of the Emperor allowing them to carry out their scheme that Vader brings up and the acolyte's subsequent justification. If it makes you feel better, you can even tell yourself that "power" simply means the ability to tap into reserves of power that he no longer has access to due to his loss of limbs ( moments like Anakin on the Invisible Hand or Mortis ). It's been established that Vader doesn't care about himself and has often let fate or "the Force" decide his fate, as we saw in the comic where he collapsed a cathedral on himself.”. He was acknowledged to likely have the power to destroy a Maul doppleganger and his creators with the Force though. It's heavily implied ANH Vader stood a good chance at defeating Maul and the Prophets with the Force. 5. “Search your feelings,” Vader said, stepping into view at the very top of the tower, lightsaber held tightly in his right hand. But yeah, "irrelevant." I don't believe anyone brought up AotC Anakin in reference to this quote specifically. Dooku, a Force user aware of his own power and able to directly sense Yoda, believed to be better than him. - The Force Unleashed. Nah. Of course he's relying on the Force, if he wasn't he'd be dead given he'd been completely deprived of food, water and rest for multiple weeks. Starkiller, born Galen Marek and also known as The Apprentice, is the Dark Jedi anti-hero main protagonist of the Star Wars: The Force Unleashed project. “ An in universe opinion from Force user's who are aware of their own power and that of the Maul dopplegangers and are able to directly sense Vader's. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. We then have to factor in SK jumping from platform to platform, during which he's conserving and continuing to regain his strength. Resurrection was published just to show what would have happened if Maul and Vader fought, and Maul won. If anything, being so focused on Vader makes it even less likely he'd be wasting energy on his surroundings. First, there's zero indication he was weakened. I don't care what garbage you care to argue. Starkiller 10/10. And since this part of Legends is also post-Bane, I think the same can be applied here. Starkiller ground his teeth together. @richard96: I was just expecting the usual manure that was already debunked several times. There's no reason to assume it would take him that long to reach Vader and there's also no reason to assume that Starkiller is "regaining his strength" during this period since he's actively using the Force in order to pursue Vader and would likely be directing it towards other things such as maintaining his passive defenses and trying to sense and enhance his awareness of his surroundings in order to ensure he's not caught off guard by another of Vader's tricks. He outright states he's striking to prove his master wrong, not to defend or get to Juno. They were all dead. Darth Maul Lightsaber. Only point out why the lie somebody is arguing is false which is easy to do since it's self apparent. He knew what was required. Who will win in a fight between Team Lord Starkiller and Team Darth Caedus? His intentions in attacking Vader have nothing to do with Juno at this moment in time. That’s it. I've never tagged you simply for the pleasure of your conversation and I never will because interacting with you is one of the most pointless and mind numbing experiences available to somebody in this life.”. Nothing in that even mentions AOTC Anakin. This penetration of Vader's defense clearly hurt the Dark Lord-who moaned-his durability saving him. Lol. Wasn’t he refrained from using the force in the fight? Period. While Starkiller is noted to be focused on Vader, I highly doubt this means to the exclusion of all else, especially when he's been encountering traps throughout his journey through the Kaminoan facility. An in universe opinion from Force user's who are aware of their own power and that of the Maul dopplegangers and are able to directly sense Vader's. Also if you want to put forward that Marz was saying Vader could beat Maul with the force. Force attacks are a standard part of dueling for force users. It's been established that Vader doesn't care about himself and has often let fate or "the Force" decide his fate, as we saw in the comic where he collapsed a cathedral on himself. Sorry to be a pain. Neither me. However, Galen (and SK) have repeatedly shown that they are able to recover their reserves pretty damn quickly when they need to: Starkiller’s throat worked. during this period since he's actively using the Force in order to pursue Vader and would likely be directing it towards other things such as maintaining his passive defenses and trying to sense and enhance his awareness of his surroundings in order to ensure he's not caught off guard. Starkiller swore that he would not give in to anger or frustration. Please don’t tag me again, at least when your pupil or related characters are involved. Nor prohibited. And let alone the force, in dueling Vader proved himself to be inferior to TPM Maul, in a comic explicitly conceived to show a fight between them. - Leeland Chee. Say what you will about Luke’s whining, the power he wielded in Return of … Throw in him becoming arguably complacent and restraining himself by not using the Force yet still outperforming Jinn (who fought as a nigh-equal of Maul for 30 seconds when highly focused), and I don't know why a heavily prepared Maul who knows Vader's weaknesses is seen to have some great technical or combat edge when he clearly had to switch the terrain to gain any kind of notable advantage. Accept it. - The Phantom Menace Novelization. "It's not quite the real Darth Maul. Yet he clearly wrote it in a way that suggests the acolytes believe it considering they prevented the doppleganger from actively engaging Vader until they could have that exchange. The battle would never cease until one of them won. Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. So, obviously, it’s a reiteration of Maul, with his same skills. Starkiller was already motivated by his desire to rescue Juno and single-mindedly focused on the task prior to exhausting himself. Also, while I'm not interested in whether or not the doppelganger possesses the abilities of the actual Maul, since it's a matter of such interest to you, you should be made aware that Leeland Chee himself has stated that the Maul we see in the comic is not the real one and that "nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing.". As we've done this song and dance before, I feel it's only fair to let you know I'm going to post the same points that you failed to respond to in the other thread. If it took place, it would have gone like that. Irrilevant. :/ Some ad on the back of a magazine that says "the brawl to settle it all" doesn't change the facts.”. He obviously did not think this extended to manipulation of the environment, or else didn't care. And you've provided no evidence to suggest that even a full minute of concentrated restoration would bring him back to "his usual fighting levels.". He was the only one left—of the many Darth Vader had created to do his bidding. But the same was true in reverse. The only emotion he would give in to was love. That doesn't mean however he still couldn't become more powerful. It corroborates his later statements about MFV: "You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. :)”. Vader threw wrecked platforms and cloning rubes at him, while he scored three slashes to the Dark Lord's cape in return. You can’t have. Kenobi was heavily amped and Maul was caught off guard when he did that. Obviously Vader is capable of doing far more than simply clicking the triggers on some guns if he wanted to give a "demonstration." - Star Wars: Episode I: Insider’s Guide. Galen Marek was a Human male who lived during the height of the Galactic Empire and the Great Jedi Purge. This evil incarnation of Starkiller is first introduced canonically in the Jedi Temple DLC for Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, in which Galen Marek travels to the ruins of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant at the command of Jedi Master Rahm Kota. Fight he did, deflecting every attack the faux-Rebels dealt against him, singly or in pairs and trios. He was simply faster. Asking you not to put up some baseless and arbitrary arguments to keep together your Galen wank is too much. Hence, if we believe the doppleganger Vader fought possesses the same power as Maul, he gets atomized ( not that any of this is relevant since it's non canon... ). Galen was holding his own for a time against a Vader who had only started to decline over the last few years and was clearly better than the Vader who was holding his own against TPM Maul. The weeks of training and isolation he had endured made that exceedingly clear. Note: Maul sustained more wounds in his fight against Kenobi and Qui Gon prior to fighting Obi Wan alone: "Beyond, the Sith Lord worked at binding up his wounds, a series of burns and slashes marked by charred tears in his dark clothing." The comic was CONCEIVED to have a Maul vs Vader fight, to show the fans who was better. Was this what it was like to be a Sith? Because certain influential people in the community have a vendetta against the character. Starkiller knocked his blade out of the way and moved in to strike.- The Force Unleashed II. “ Excuse me? Mod intervention would be welcomed at this point given the never-ending flow of verbal diarrhea that you choose to deposit onto these forums. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. You are desperately trying to defend Vader for your pupil Galen benefit, but that’s it: ANH Vader is a sub-TPM Maul duelist, Force or not. I was talking about the acolytes implication of Vader's superiority to them and the doppleganger as a Force user. “ Lol. This will be absolutely my last comment to you. Go ahead, say your lines. Luckily they don't realize how ridiculous they sound. Period. So Vader is sub Mustafar Anakin in raw power and potential, which I think is pretty well-known. Starkiller knocked his blade out of the way and moved in to strike.- The Force Unleashed II. “ The comic was made in order to make money from nerds who wanted to see the cool Sith Lord from TPM fight Darth Vader.”. Maul tagged Vader several times, with Vader only cutting in two Maul’s saberstaff, a weakness already exploited by lesser foes as TPM Kenobi. @wolfrazer: I referred to quotes like this, "We've actually never seen real Jedi at work, we've only seen crippled half-droid half-men and young boys that have learned from these old people. Given that he has the Dark Appentice at this point, no, it doesn't. @darthadi: Lucas and...what exactly? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Unlike you, I'm not somebody who can devote every waking hour to copy pasting the same shitty arguments. With a roar he forced his way through a wall of Rebels, slashing and hacking as he went. You might even succeed.". Get the fuck out of here. Yet he had already defeated the other subjects by that point... Why would struggling to accomplish a feat "conserve energy?". And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Sigueme En Twitter! Or a clone. Instead, he toyed with a soldier blaster to hit Maul. He had never felt so exhausted, at every level of his being." Starkiller and Vader scale above Obi Wan a few years after RotS who was dodging and blocking thousands of blaster bolts. @wolfrazer: It's especially bad when you consider that there's no quote which actually states outright that Vader is less powerful than he was as Anakin as I detail here: @killbilly: I'm not sure why honestly, but I can see that. The comment was likely just a ploy to get Maul to focus on something else while he activated the dead troopers blasters.”. Resurrection was published just to show what would have happened if Maul and Vader fought, and Maul won. What did he have that none of the other clones did? What are you smoking? Get the fuck out of here. My most deadly creation.”, Starkiller: “You lie! “ Why? Galen Marek war Darth Vaders Schüler und späterer Jedi-Ritter. While SoD Maul > TPM Maul, the same goes for TFU 2 Vader > ANH Vader. Because he cannot. He knew the measure of his former apprentice now. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a split second before Starkiller's, every time. No person not engaged in heavy bias for or against a character or era will ever buy such an argument so you and all the other "debaters" on your inactive forum can try to push that view till you're blue in the face. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing." Don’t tag me again or I will report you. @richard96: Lol. He's noted to be regaining his strength in general even before Vader emerges and before the fight begins. @breakofdawn:My point is that he's been actively drawing upon the Force for thirteen days straight, during which he remained conscious and utilised it heavily so that - once he came out of it - he was ready to fight. Means diddly squat, because we have no clue where the end bar of his potential is, meaning someone could make Vader live to be 100+ and have him perform crazy ridiculous feats and still say he didn't reach his potential. 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