Just by feats, Vader's force capabilities are far greater post-transformation than as Anakin. Vader's a superior swordsman and has far better Force showings than Anakin does. So Vader is quite used to his suit, and he's mostly evil with a few traces of the light side left in him (as Darth Vader was never totally on the Dark Side), while Anakin is totally on the light side, or almost totally on the light side and unhindered by a suit. I think that as long as Anakin keeps his cool, he'd win. Vader is stronger than Anakin in almost every way and ROTS Kenobi is basically a non-factor for Vader at this stage adding him in will make little difference. He also has generally superior equipment as well (such as a lightsaber resistant suit). You are indeed where you belong. But at that moment, what convinces Sabé to join Vader is a little slip-up, a hint that Anakin Skywalker still lives beneath the suit of armor. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. To abandon the Dark Side? I trimmed this video out of video I downloaded, so pardon the three times Darth Vader calls Anakin Skywalker a wizard. I'll say new canon just for the consistency. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. As such, he wins with a Force choke. He hopes to talk to his younger self to hopefully change his mind, but Anakin doesn’t budge, and they fight to the death. Vader is more experienced here. Vader. Also, Bane was extremely powerful in Vader's special powers - telekinesis and aggressive Form V attacks, which was exactly the fighting style, which Luke Skywalker used to defeat Anakin in Return of the Jedi. Round 2: Vader is sent back to Anakin shortly before the death of Mace Windu. Since this doesn't appear to be Legends Anakin (actually Legends Anakin would lose all rounds listed as well), Vader wins rounds 1-3. The first two trilogies in the mainline Star Wars saga — the ones that came from the mind of series creator George Lucas — each revolved around a key figure in the Skywalker bloodline. “Darth Vader, the most powerful Sith Lord in the Galaxy”. Vader killed Anakin in canon. There's a strong possibility that Vader was in fact stronger at that point, but the fact remains Obi-Wan sacrificed himself. Lord Vader (armoured) takes every round and some of them comfortably tbh assuming this is canon SWs. Neither Kenobi or his old self have any chance against him. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. David Charles Prowse MBE (1 July 1935 – 28 November 2020) was an English bodybuilder, weightlifter and character actor in British film and television. Darth Vader is much stronger in the Force than what he was as Anakin. Again, I know they're the same guy at different points in time, nonetheless it isn't discussed that much because it's dismissed as "dumb" and I'd like to hear some discussion from you guys. #star wars #clone wars #tcw #anakin skywalker #obi wan kenobi #ahsoka tano #captain rex #boba fett #darth maul #the clone wars #darth vader #star wars crack #alignement chart #padme amidala #commander cody More you might like So, if we conclude that losing limbs does not stunt force capabilities, merely overall force potential, and use the evidence available rather than hearsay, by all accounts Vader is stronger than Anakin both in force capabilities and lightsaber combat. Anakin Skywalker's massacre of a Tusken Raider clan in Attack of the Clones foreshadowed his eventual descent to the Dark side, but it also made the Star Wars antagonist feared among the species. Vader has had chances to undo what he has done. Ahsoka Tano is a character in the Star Wars franchise. Hmm, this is a hard one. [Star Wars] Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker was the weakest Sith/Jedi in the Star Wars Universe. He also isn't nearly as impulsive as Anakin was. In “Star Wars: The Phantom Menace,” we learned that Anakin Skywalker did not have a true father. Anakin is Vader but younger, less experienced, less powerful and less skilled. The Karate Kid and Star Wars series share a lot of similarities. Is Cobra Kai’s Robby Keene the Anakin Skywalker of The Karate Kid universe? Anakin Skywalker was the Chosen One, conceived by the Force itself. Darth Vader is easily the most iconic Star Wars villain of all time - but just how powerful is the Dark Lord of the Sith? They're both at their primes for their respective conditions. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! In his anger, and in his shame, Darth Vader lies to himself and to Sabé, pleads ignorance, and promises to find out the ones responsible for Padmé's fate. Due to being outclassed by Dooku while still being force Jesus. Vader is stronger than Anakin in the force later on because he focuses on it more. EDIT: Vader’s experience will carry him above in beyond aswell as having prep knowlege on himself, since he’s his future self. R1: Vader's much more well-trained in the Force than Anakin for obvious reasons. Though Anakin did suffer horrendous injuries resulting in physical incapacitation, the technology presented in this suit proves he may have been even more powerful than in his actual Darth Vader … Realistically, Anakin isn't going to win this. Anakin Skywalker was one of the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. He wasn't defeated. Once Skywalker became Darth Vader he would be worshipped by the species, despite the Sith Lord's disdain for the Tusken Raiders.. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Vader later on has more experience to deal with oddities like going up against Kenobi's Soresu but going toe to toe against another Djem So practitioner it is going to come down more to raw talent. I think so. Round 4: Convince Anakin of what? Perhaps one of them travels through time, or to an alternate universe? Darth Vader is much stronger in the Force than what he was as Anakin. As they are the same person Vader has the experience. To not kill Padme? R1 through r4 Vader wins after his injury he decided to broaden his duelling skills and became profecient in form 2 3 and 7 where as an akin only studied form 5 and the basics of form 3 Vader just had more tools in his swordsman tool kit then an akin did Vader would be able to convince anakin easily by telling him of wife's death. As a Sith Lord, Anakin was known as Darth Vader, who served as the secondary antagonist of the original Star Wars trilogy and one of the main antagonists of Star Wars Rebels. Realistically, Anakin isn't going to win this. People seriously under estimate Anakin because he lost the fight to Kenobi but the circumstances of that were very specific. He hated the Jedi, but after losing his master, his apprentice, his wife, and his kids and more, he wishes he could of changed what happened, enter time travel. He also knows everything anakin knows. Vader killed Obi wan, Obi Wan cut up Anakin. Context: Theories for years suggested Anakin had been created by the Force and Palpatine was the one to do it. He also isn't nearly as impulsive as Anakin was. Vader, who is roughly at the peak of his power (please correct me if I’m wrong, peak Vader is what I’m going for in this scenario), finds a way to travel back in time to help correct his mistake. A Reddit user imagined an alternate version of Star Wars in which Anakin Skywalker raised a happy family without ever becoming Darth Vader. RELATED: Star Wars: The Dark Secrets Behind Darth Maul's Robot Legs, Revealed This Vader would have existed right after the Battle on Mustafar, so it would have been a redeemed Anakin Skywalker. First he added a whole lot of forms to his collection, like form 4 (but obviously only the blade work). He also has generally superior equipment as well (such as a lightsaber resistant suit). Not to mention, Vader is much, much more powerful in the Force than Anakin is. Obviously this didn't actually happen. Now, I'm sure many of you are familiar with the claim that losing body mass reduces a force sensitive's proportional midichlorian count. Attack of the Clones sees Skywalker and Padme Amidala travel … Anakin has more raw power to draw from, but Vader is much more refined and smart with his use of it, not to mention feat wise he's more impressive (At the time of writing this.) Luke Skywalker (52) Anakin Skywalker | Darth Vader (47) Leia Organa (40) Darth Vader (28) Obi-Wan Kenobi (22) Han Solo (22) Anakin Skywalker (15) Sheev Palpatine | Darth Sidious (13) Mon Mothma (11) Padmé Amidala (10) Exclude Relationships Luke Skywalker & Darth Vader (28) Round 4: Vader is able to catch Anakin in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and is able to talk to him without fighting. For new canon Vader probably stomps, having much stronger feats in most categories. you know what it's star wars, never mind. Dueling wise Anakin might have a bit more of an edge due to being faster, but in spite of what a lot of people say Vader … Even in Legends, he was fully capable of fighting basically evenly with a resurrected Darth Maul. Ahsoka Tano's Star Wars Rebels duel with Darth Vader is imagined in a live-action setting in a new fan-poster. In one of the Canon comics a vision of Padme even came to Vader asking him to turn back, and he responded by Force choking the vision a second time. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. The Rise of Skywalker does a thorough job of recalling the original trilogy. The Disney Plus Star Wars live-action series for Obi Wan is set 10 years after Revenge of the Sith and will return Christensen to his role as Anakin Skywalker. His mother, Shimi Skywalker (Pernilla August), told Qui-Gon Jinn (Liam Neeson) that she gave birth without a father. Legends I feel like is closer, though I'm not well-versed in pre-Vader Anakin. Somehow, Vader faces Anakin. Round 1: Vader catches Anakin between the events of Attack of the Clone and Revenge of the Sith. I'll say both of their force skills are nearly the same, as they kinda even out. They could probably take him if they teamed up to fight him, but in a three way battle? Since Rosario Dawson's debut as former Jedi Togruta in The Mandalorian season 2, interest in the character has been at an all-time high with her history in the franchise now being revisited by long-time fans and learned by new ones. He recognises it as a tool he could have exploited against Kenobi that he didn't because he didn't train it enough. P.S. Anakin has yet to experience this. Press J to jump to the feed. Vader wins. Who wins? Anakin is much faster and more agile which I think will be the key in this fight. Vader is still very fast and agile in canon. New canon states that it really doesn't bother him that much. And Vader's armor can take a glancing lightsaber blow, though he'll be reminded once again what 4th degree burns feel like. Setup: 10 years after Revenge of the Sith, Vader has become more powerful than ever, but his grief and sorrow is beginning to take over. Plus Anakin is Vader, so Vader literally knows everything about him, the only thing Anakin has more than Vader is agility. He wins 8/10. As far as lightsaber combat goes, Vader is really not hindered by his transformation. In Canon, Vader lost none of his potential due to his injuries on Mustafar-- if anything his connection to the Force was strengthened by it. This is also the case with Darth Maul. Vader's a superior swordsman and has far better Force showings than Anakin does. Anakin, or Vader? Anakin becomes Vader when he kills Windu. Vader has also had experience of killing hundreds of jedi. To not kill Padme? He's nearly as fast, just as agile, and just as strong if not stronger physically as well due to his mechanical limbs. To abandon the Dark Side? While it is true that this was the case with Vader, as stated numerous times both in-universe and through Word of God, this is not terribly consistent. Vader will win. Darth Vader's life support system was disabled by Cylo IV and all of this happened inside his head. Even though Anakin isn’t “bloodlusted” against the Jedi/With Palpatine, how does his lightsaber skills hold up against Vader at this point? STAR WARS Revenge of the Sith saw Anakin Skywalker transform into Darth Vader, but fans think one detail would have made it so much better. But then Anakin came back to life and killed Vader. He was raised on Tatooine as a slave, and Anakin understood that he was not free to make his own choices or follow his dreams. He pushed those feelings back and used them for a source of power, but his perspective has shifted. His power grew in leaps and bounds following the battle on Mustafar. Even Luke lost a portion of his body (less than Maul or Vader, but still the principle applies) and yet his force capabilities increased a hundredfold after the events of Episode VI. I guess it's supposed to be some sort of symbolic memory where Darth Vader consumed Anakin Skywalker. He has a better control over the force and he's not going to be as sloppy as Anakin. He still annihilated a Count Dooku that managed to match Yoda. Potential doesn't really matter when Anakin is simply not experienced as Vader is. Crazy brain dead Mustafar Vader probably beats Anakin. In the end, I'll say Vader beats his younger self. He's grown significantly more powerful and skilled then Anakin ever was. Ultimately, Anakin Skywalker’s love for Padme Amidala was used against him and was essential in his becoming Darth Vader. And he's fighting against a guy who mainly deals with Form V, which he has used for years. Bonus Round: The battle on Mustafar becomes a three way duel between Vader, Obi Wan, and Anakin. Vader beats Anakin every time. level 1. On one hand, Vader lost a lot of his force potential with the cutting of his limbs and searing of his flesh, and the suit for rid of most of his natural agility, but on the other hand, suit Vader is decades older than regular Anakin, and has perfected his lightsaber forms and fighting due to his new suit body hindering his speed to he couldn't speed blitz with Form V. Darth Vader also refined his force abilities, though without his limbs and and with the suit in, he couldn't do any force lightning. Darth Vader with the suit from just before the rebellion probably doesn't as his potential has been destroyed. While Anakin is one of the fastest, strongest, and most aggressive Jedi at the time, I believe Vader has the skill and experience to beat Anakin. Anakin also harbored a lot of negative emotions before joining the Jedi. Press J to jump to the feed. He's nearly as fast, just as agile, and just as strong if not stronger physically as well due to his mechanical limbs. In fact, he adapts within a few weeks and is quite comfortably slaughtering Jedi Knights by a few months. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Round 3: Vader is sent back to Anakin on Mustafar just before Obi Wan shows up (Anakin is clearly more powerful in this round because he’s got his freaky eyes and stuff). Anyway, Vader is from, let's say, a year before the Rebellion kicks off, and Anakin is from later on in the war, but he isn't influenced by Palpatine- at least, he hadn't yet been. Of course he would know how to fend off another form v master. Introduced as the Jedi Padawan of Anakin Skywalker, who later becomes Sith Lord Darth Vader, she is a protagonist of the 2008 animated film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the subsequent television series.Ahsoka reappears in Star Wars Rebels, where she uses the codename Fulcrum, and as a voiceover cameo in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. The old Legends EU has always been a tad bit inconsistent with whether the suit actually hinders Vader. The bonus round would be an amazing idea if vader weren’t significantly more powerful than Anakin and obi wan. The original trilogy told the story of Luke Skywalker’s quest to defeat Darth Vader, only to discover along the way that Vader is his corrupted father, Anakin. Will his persuasive efforts work? Serving for Palpatine doesn’t give him the life he’s looking for, especially after the events of Revenge of the Sith. By … Anakin Skywalker is one of the main protagonists from the Star Wars franchise as the main protagonist of the Star Wars prequel trilogy and Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series. Vader's not going to succeed in convincing Anakin something even he hasn't convinced himself of. Bonus Round: Vader wins this one. This meant he had the potential to access the Force and achieve feats no other Jedi or … Luke Skywalker >> Darth Vader Luke Skywalker ~ Anakin Skywalker therefore Anakin Skywalker >> Darth Vader " Post-RotJ Luke >>>>> Anakin >>>> Vader. He could casually ragdoll Obi-Wan and then proceed to kill Anakin. According to Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, he had a midichlorian count higher than even Master Yoda. Not a chance. Round 4: Convince Anakin of what? I would say Vader 10/10. His defeat of Count Dooku remains the most impressive victory he had up until the point he threw Palpatine off the balcony. R2: Anakin's a lot faster with all those acrobatic flips and tricks while Darth is more slow and methodical with his strikes. Star Wars theories are abundant following the release of TFA last month, but for now lets revert to the OT and Prequels. And it all begins from the prequel trilogy.. Bonus round would probably go to him too. From – Star Wars: Darth Vader #24 Anyways, first off, Legends or new canon? Vader of course! As you may know, the new Star Wars narrative takes place after the events of The Empire Strikes Back and depicts Vader on a quest to learn more about his past life as Anakin Skywalker. It's hinted at or heavily implied that the Emperor intentionally has him hindered by the suit in order to both keep him under his control and heavily reliant on the Emperor, and to piss him off, his anger and frustration fueling his immersion into the dark side. Vader has utterly rejected his life as Anakin Skywalker, and did so until Luke came along. 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